In an Interview with Ron Paul by Alex Jones the Swine Flue came under discussion and I have been discussion this so here is exerpts of the interview that talk of that and other subjects of interest to Human Rights pursuance.
Alex Jones: Congressman, when we come back I want to talk about the establishment’s response to the majority of House members now wanting to audit the Fed and the people getting angry. Lloyd Doggett and others went on the news and said it was all staged, all fake. It didn’t matter that I found out my neighbor was there, buying groceries at Randall’s in South Austin where I lived, and went over and started chanting. It didn’t matter if one of my dad’s employees in his dental office was there at the meeting, a Democrat who has sent a letter and that she was mad at him. It didn’t matter that it was real. He just says it’s fake. But everywhere people are saying “No, this just sounds like Marie Antoinette – let them eat cake.”
Ron Paul: Yeah. They’ll wake up soon, I think that this is not going to go away very quickly.
Alex Jones: Absolutely, but we’re going to have to break. We’re going to come back and talk more about this. There they are chanting at Lloyd Doggett. Hundreds and hundreds of people literally chasing him from the building, and he says it’s staged. Well, it’s not staged.
Alex Jones: Well, it’s great to have Ron Paul for a full half hour today with his very busy schedule. I have lot of emails here with questions that listeners want me to ask, so let’s go ahead with the questions. We ended that segment with video and audio of Congressman Lloyd Doggett, a big collectivist, being booed off the stage at a Randall’s grocery store here in Austin.
Now I talked to people that were there and they said “We don’t want this.” He said, “I don’t care what you want, I’m going to do it.” I saw him during the Cap and Trade say “I don’t care if I’m getting 5 to 1 calls against this, I’m going to do it.” That seems to be his call sign. And then the media is acting like it’s un-American and bad that citizens would dare chant at him. Is it un-American to go talk to your politicians?
Ron Paul: Well, when we can’t do that then it’s all over, you know. The first amendment tells you something about petitioning Congress and having some redress. So I would say that if they ever get to the point where they want to enforce that where you can’t call down your elected officials, the ballgame is over. But right now I think there is still enough room, you’re still on the radio, I still speak out, I’m still in Congress. So we have a vehicle and the answer is going to be in can we awaking and alert enough people to become activists and rally the cry for freedom.
Alex Jones: So the control freaks statist are in a race against time. We’re in a race against them. Where would you put our situation as humanity, as an American people? We see a huge awakening taking place. Is the momentum beginning to shift in our direction?
Ron Paul: I don’t think there is any doubt about it. You know, I keep thinking about what our history was like in the 1920s and the 1930s. In the 1920s and the early 1930s everything had already shifted intellectually. But even when Roosevelt ran in 1932 he ran on a conservative platform for the gold standard and balancing the budget and he criticized Hoover for doing all the dumb things. But the intellectual community had already come to the welfare state and socialism and that is of course what Roosevelt responded to. I think it may well be reversed right now. Because now when I go out and talk to colleges and campuses and kids and all, they know what Austrian economics are, and they know about the Federal Reserve. I mean just think of the momentum we have on the Federal Reserve; auditing the Fed. So I would say that underneath the momentum is on our side. But in Washington and the intellectual community are still very statist. So this [...] is very encouraging that we have to translate that eventually into political action. But the contest is on and we have a long way to go yet.
Alex Jones: Congressman, what are the tricks up the sleeve of the establishment? The people don’t want socialized healthcare, they don’t want open borders, they don’t want new wars, they don’t want a private Federal Reserve that’s above the law. But the establishment, it seems, instead of trying to give an olive branch, seems to be entrenching themselves further.
You’re a well read person, I’m sure you’re know Alabama is announcing that they’ll use the regular army as their new police force. New York is asking for federal troops. The marines in California are running DWI checkpoints. CNN and Fox are reporting that the army is going to lock down cities and try to carry out forced inoculations.
Now, they’re trying to announce this, I’m not saying they’re going to get away with it. But they’re certainly saying it. Martial law was threatened against Congress last year if they didn’t give in to the bankers. Clearly it appears NORTHCOM is a receivership arm now for the off-shore corporations that are trying to assimilate or absorb the United States.
Your comments on the swine flu, the hype, the fear? It’s killed less than 200 people in the U.S. and the regular flu kills 37,000 the CDC says, but they’re saying the end of liberty, the end of freedom, forced inoculations because of a couple hundred dead. Is this an excuse for federal expansion of power?
Ron Paul: Yeah, it is pure propaganda. You know, to get us involved overseas they use war propaganda, that somebody is going to attack us with a nuclear weapon if we don’t go in and invade other countries. The same way they scare people domestically. Most people don’t know what you just said that tens of thousands of people die from flu every year. And now we have a couple of hundred and they want us to just sacrifice our choices and just say, “Oh okay, if you tell us we need a shot, we’ll do it.” But there will come a time when there’ll be enough of us who would just raise cane.
But the other thing that is happening is the government is running out of money. There’s a limit, you know. They can have a lot of war propaganda but if they don’t have any money and can’t have these wars, the empire ends. The same way domestically, that’s what people should be prepared for bad times and survival reasons and know how to take care of themselves, know something about personal healthcare. And there probably will always be an underground economy regardless of how bad it gets, which means there will be… even in the Soviet system the people who were in the know-how always ended up with a private doctor, but let’s hope it never gets that bad. That’s the whole thing, that’s what we work so hard to try to prevent. But when you hear these stories about the use of force, the use of martial law and the tremendous invasion of our privacy, that to me is scary that nothing is private anymore. Everything in the government is secret, and your privacy is non-existent; that is what the real problem is. We need to reverse that sentiment.
Alex Jones: Well Congressman, you are a medical doctor, and I’ve pulled up your quotes from the 1970s when you came out and said, we had a few deaths at a military base… that by the way was triggered after the inoculations… and then thousands died, tens of thousands got sick from the swine flu vaccine itself. You were proven right then.
How did you know it was a fraud in 1976, 1977? And I know you’ve spoken out against it today. Can you specifically give us your take on where it’s going, because from my research it looks like Obama is going to use fear over this flu as a political smokescreen and as kind of a false flag to control a crisis so government can grandstand as our savior to push through the carbon tax in the Senate, to push through the amnesty, the gun control, the socialized healthcare. That’s why you now see Pelosi and others saying “We’re going to try this in October.” I mean, do you compare that that looks like how this is triangulating, or give us your expert opinion.
Ron Paul: It’s hard to say, but I think yes, there will definitely be some votes in September and October for them to bring this up. But on the inoculations, the main reason I was skeptical even in 1976 was that I don’t like the mass treatment of people; it was just bad medicine. That doesn’t mean that I have an attitude that inoculations are never good. As a matter of fact, I think polio was truly eradicated by inoculations, as well as smallpox.
But the questions is, should government be making massive decisions? Under the Constitution there is not supposed to be any government involvement at all. But government is in it. I remember that vote in the 1976; it was interesting because there were two of us who voted against it, and the other one was Dr. Larry McDonald. I’m sure you remember that name. He and I were the only two; I think there were three physicians in the Congress, but the two of us as physicians voted against it believing it was bad medicine.
Alex Jones: I would ask you, Congressman, please don’t take any flights from Alaska to South Korea.
Ron Paul: No, I don’t plan to do that.
Alex Jones: Well, I think there would be a revolt in this country if they did to you what they did to McDonald.
Ron Paul: We will continue the fight; there is no doubt about that. But the momentum is on our side, you know, people have warned me all about taking on the Federal Reserve. But the momentum is building. You know, we worry about how much pressure they have and how much authority they have. But because we’ve done our grassroots work, we’ve gotten the large majority of members of Congress to support our auditing bill. And that didn’t come from me persuading the Congressmen; that came from exactly what’s going on at these townhall meetings and the people being upset. And this way I think we harness the energy in the correct way and say “Look, there is a problem there and one of the problems is that they don’t tell us what they’re doing and here we have this secret organization that prints money, spends money outside the budget.” And people have responded and that’s why we have these 282 members of Congress, and I suspect we’re going to get more. Once we get to 290 or 300… around that area… which means we will have two-thirds of the vote, I think that’s the time I’m going to really start putting pressure on the leadership to bring this up. So far they’re indicating that they’ll bring the bill up in a mixture of other bills. But they might get bogged down so I think after we go back you may be hearing some announcements on where we want to direct our energies because we have such great momentum on the issue.
Alex Jones: And then if the Senate tries to block it with a procedure, that is going to be political suicide, isn’t it? Because in polls over 75% of Americans want to audit or abolish the Fed, that will only “Say what are you hiding, why can’t we look at what you’re doing?.” I mean did you see Bernanke… obviously you did… sputtering and bubbling around on PBS in Kansas City about why no one can see the books? I mean he looked like Sylvester caught with tweety bird feathers sticking out of his mouth.
Ron Paul: You know, what I’m suspecting, and we’ll see if I’m right about this suspicion, is that I think eventually they’re going to use national security as an excuse to keep the books closed. You know a lot of time what the CIA does is they say, “Oh, national security, you’re not allowed to know this. You can’t try this person for national security.” Because they do use funds to get involved in foreign affairs because they can make deals with other governments, other central banks, international financial organizations. And that’s the kind of stuff that they don’t want us to know about. So if there are some really big deals going on that they don’t want us to know about, we’ll see if they start talking about “Well, some of this stuff you guys shouldn’t know because that might undermine our national security.”
Alex Jones: Okay, Congressman, we got about 12 minutes left. I want to move quickly now through a whole host of questions. [...] Congressman, specifically on the economy, they told us three years ago we weren’t in a recession, and then two years later they admitted we’ve been in one for over a year. Then they said over a year ago they see “green shoots.” Now they’re saying again the economy is wonderful, we’ve turned a corner when every major indicator of joblessness and you name it, is getting worse and worse. Anybody on Main Street knows we’re in trouble. Maybe it’s good for bankers getting million dollar bonuses. What do you, as an economist, as a doctor, as a Congressman, what do you see happening? What is the data you’re seeing? Is this just more political hype to stall the imploding poll numbers of Barack Obama?
Ron Paul: Yeah, I think so. And the one group that is doing quite well is that Goldman Sachs group. Their business is booming and their profits are booming and they have lived off the government. But I think you’ll see little blips upwards and maybe they announce on the news, but it’s all propaganda. “Well, housing is doing so much better because it didn’t go down quite as quickly as last time.” – “Instead of losing 700,00
